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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by Diana Korchien</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Korchien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My answer to all this: there are absolutely millions of imaginative, interesting and editorially suitable images out there - in digital and analogue formats. Please make better use of your resources and employ a professional picture researcher next time. Have you heard of the PRA (Picture Research Association)? www.picture-research.org.uk  We can help with concepts, research and copyright - not to mention budgeting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My answer to all this: there are absolutely millions of imaginative, interesting and editorially suitable images out there &#8211; in digital and analogue formats. Please make better use of your resources and employ a professional picture researcher next time. Have you heard of the PRA (Picture Research Association)? <a href="http://www.picture-research.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.picture-research.org.uk</a>  We can help with concepts, research and copyright &#8211; not to mention budgeting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inspired By Nature: The 21st Century Business by Triple Bottom Line</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triple Bottom Line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 09:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Energy has become one of the most significant concerns in the 21st century.  The need for energy has continued to increase and it has become difficult to meet this demand.  Coal is poised to be one of the most important sources of energy but it is facing the challenge of environmental impact.  To ensure that coal becomes an important source of energy in the world, it is important to put in place a framework for sustainable coal mining.  The government should play bigger roles in regulation of coal mining and ensure environmental impact assessment is carried  out first.   The government should shut down mines if they continuously ignore the law.  Fines are not sufficient deterrents for coal mines to supply with safety standards and protect the people and the planet. 

For more information visit http://www.triplebottomlineapproach.com and http://www.democracyandconflict.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Energy has become one of the most significant concerns in the 21st century.  The need for energy has continued to increase and it has become difficult to meet this demand.  Coal is poised to be one of the most important sources of energy but it is facing the challenge of environmental impact.  To ensure that coal becomes an important source of energy in the world, it is important to put in place a framework for sustainable coal mining.  The government should play bigger roles in regulation of coal mining and ensure environmental impact assessment is carried  out first.   The government should shut down mines if they continuously ignore the law.  Fines are not sufficient deterrents for coal mines to supply with safety standards and protect the people and the planet. </p>
<p>For more information visit <a href="http://www.triplebottomlineapproach.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.triplebottomlineapproach.com</a> and <a href="http://www.democracyandconflict.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracyandconflict.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Economic System in Collision with the Earth’s Environmental System by Conrad</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/an-economic-system-in-collision-with-the-earth%e2%80%99s-environmental-system/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 23:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valuing economic goods seems to be done well enough by the market, why not valuing environmental and social goods (and bads)?  

As a civilisation we haven&#039;t needed to create a vast, centrally-planned bureaucracy to define the value of, say, gold or celebrity ringtones.  The market for modern art is not wildly volatile despite the huge difference between how much it&#039;s valued by Charles Saatchi vs the bloke in the pub.

So I can&#039;t see why Anonymous believes it&#039;s not possible for governments or NGOs to help build a set of market prices to drive the economic internalisation of externalities, without scary state control.

The EU with its Emissions Trading Scheme, the UK with its CRC Energy Efficiency Scheme, or the US with its Greenhouse Gas Reporting Rule, or NGOs like the Fairtrade Foundation, Transfair USA etc with fairly traded goods, or Marine Stewardship Council with its sustainable fish are all creating &quot;technocratic&quot; valuations of social/environmental goods and bads.  They are also policing the trade in these goods/bads.  And marginal costs are going down over time.

So is this a problem of real bureaucratic deadweight or is it just one of perception?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valuing economic goods seems to be done well enough by the market, why not valuing environmental and social goods (and bads)?  </p>
<p>As a civilisation we haven&#8217;t needed to create a vast, centrally-planned bureaucracy to define the value of, say, gold or celebrity ringtones.  The market for modern art is not wildly volatile despite the huge difference between how much it&#8217;s valued by Charles Saatchi vs the bloke in the pub.</p>
<p>So I can&#8217;t see why Anonymous believes it&#8217;s not possible for governments or NGOs to help build a set of market prices to drive the economic internalisation of externalities, without scary state control.</p>
<p>The EU with its Emissions Trading Scheme, the UK with its CRC Energy Efficiency Scheme, or the US with its Greenhouse Gas Reporting Rule, or NGOs like the Fairtrade Foundation, Transfair USA etc with fairly traded goods, or Marine Stewardship Council with its sustainable fish are all creating &#8220;technocratic&#8221; valuations of social/environmental goods and bads.  They are also policing the trade in these goods/bads.  And marginal costs are going down over time.</p>
<p>So is this a problem of real bureaucratic deadweight or is it just one of perception?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Economic System in Collision with the Earth’s Environmental System by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/an-economic-system-in-collision-with-the-earth%e2%80%99s-environmental-system/comment-page-1/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 13:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I&#039;ve always said. Many economists have known and/or know what the problem is. The solutions are where people disagree although some ideas have more support than others.

The problem is often in the application of solutions. Take, for instance, the idea of individual economic agents applying the concept of a &quot;triple bottom line&quot; (income + aggregate net impact of externalities).

For the sake of brevity, consider this only at the corporate level. Not only would there have to be agreement over the value of the environmental/social impact externality when translated in less &quot;multi-dimensional&quot; financial terms but, moreover, there would have to be some way to enforce its proper application. This would easily require expanding the role of governments or quasi-government agencies staffed by technocrats able to perform an oversight role (science-trained? un-corrupt?). It would also require someone to police both the corporations and the technocrats themselves. One can easily envisage a situation where this requires a wholesale revisit of our political and economic system on a national and global scale with the end result being, perhaps, something a bit closer to that of a centrally-planned economy.

Unfortunately, in the West (and now most of the rest of the world), the mere mention of that considered almost unthinkable (even &quot;evil&quot; by some). Just look at Obama&#039;s situation. He can&#039;t even fix a few small problems and his approval rating already indicates he will lose congressional support in November, rendering him a lame duck president barely two years into his mandate. Why? Because he&#039;s a &quot;dirty communist&quot; (i.e. healthcare bill). It&#039;s ridiculous. And this was a man who galvanized practically everyone around him at the start....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I&#8217;ve always said. Many economists have known and/or know what the problem is. The solutions are where people disagree although some ideas have more support than others.</p>
<p>The problem is often in the application of solutions. Take, for instance, the idea of individual economic agents applying the concept of a &#8220;triple bottom line&#8221; (income + aggregate net impact of externalities).</p>
<p>For the sake of brevity, consider this only at the corporate level. Not only would there have to be agreement over the value of the environmental/social impact externality when translated in less &#8220;multi-dimensional&#8221; financial terms but, moreover, there would have to be some way to enforce its proper application. This would easily require expanding the role of governments or quasi-government agencies staffed by technocrats able to perform an oversight role (science-trained? un-corrupt?). It would also require someone to police both the corporations and the technocrats themselves. One can easily envisage a situation where this requires a wholesale revisit of our political and economic system on a national and global scale with the end result being, perhaps, something a bit closer to that of a centrally-planned economy.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, in the West (and now most of the rest of the world), the mere mention of that considered almost unthinkable (even &#8220;evil&#8221; by some). Just look at Obama&#8217;s situation. He can&#8217;t even fix a few small problems and his approval rating already indicates he will lose congressional support in November, rendering him a lame duck president barely two years into his mandate. Why? Because he&#8217;s a &#8220;dirty communist&#8221; (i.e. healthcare bill). It&#8217;s ridiculous. And this was a man who galvanized practically everyone around him at the start&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by Conrad</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost poetic.  Not worthy of CRAPP.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by Cezar</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Cezar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about, person dressed in suit walking away and in his/her footprints, green grass grows from the pavement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about, person dressed in suit walking away and in his/her footprints, green grass grows from the pavement?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by J Ahmad</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>J Ahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a celebrity&#039;s tears at witnessing the child labour that produced their &quot;it&quot; bag....who then needs to be comforted by said child displaying remarkable dignity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a celebrity&#8217;s tears at witnessing the child labour that produced their &#8220;it&#8221; bag&#8230;.who then needs to be comforted by said child displaying remarkable dignity</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by Conrad</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guilty as charged.  What if it was a solar panel?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by Paulina Smid</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulina Smid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smiling men in front of wind turbines is an even worse cliche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smiling men in front of wind turbines is an even worse cliche.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vote Now! The CRAPP Campaign by A Hassel</title>
		<link>http://london.netimpact.org.uk/crapp-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>A Hassel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smiling children in a third world village next to a water pump</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smiling children in a third world village next to a water pump</p>
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